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The Fine Whine Of An Oregon Muslim
February 01, 2005
A "prominent Portland-area Muslim leader" named Shahriar Ahmed is having a hissy spasm of righteous indignation, saying he's "shocked" the FBI's Special Agent in Charge in Oregon recently observed there are known, trained jihadists who wish our country ill, on the loose in Oregon. As I mentioned in a recent post, Robert Jordan said: "We have people here in Oregon that have trained in jihadist camps in bad areas. In the bad neighborhoods of the world." He added that the FBI knows "they've trained overseas, taken oaths to kill Americans and engage in jihad," but the challenge is "to prove those things." Myself, I'm glad to be apprised of the fact, and could hardly expect additional details to be be shared with the public. Does the news mean I'll be looking cross-eyed at every Arabic-featured man I see? Hardly. But Arabs in the U.S. ought to be used to some sideways looks every now and then. Plain, ugly fact of life, thanks to 9/11, and a whole array of other Islamic terrorist operations busted up in the U.S. More from today's Oregonian story (first link above; quick, three-step sign-in req.): Ahmed said Jordan's comments have dealt a setback to efforts to mend ties between federal law enforcement officials and local Muslims, an already fragile relationship damaged by the botched Brandon Mayfield case last year. Your community and its peace-loving members bear a certain unfortunate, but unavoidable cost for what happened Sept. 11, 2001, Mr. Ahmed. Some percentage of Muslim immigrants and visa holders in the United States - albeit small - are here to try to kill us, but they are biding their time. They are spread out all over the country, including the Pacific Northwest. It is rather difficult for all of us, including the intended TARGET POPULATION, Mr. Ahmed. I'm really very sorry about that, but there it is, sir. People are not being carted off to detention camps for no reason. You cite the Mayfield case, and fine: it was an honest mistake, and Mr. Mayfield may now win a court settlement for his trouble. Can't quite see that happening in the Kingdom of Saud, now can you? You ask, what are you supposed to do? Here: Schedule some more "tolerance" seminars, making sure to highlight your actions to boost tolerance for the West in Islamicist cultures endorsing "Death to America." That'd be a nice start. Apart from that, go on about your lives, and quit whining. And if the feds knock on a Muslim's door in Portland, or Tualatin, or Gresham, or Beaverton, I'd suggest honesty and cooperation. After all, what's there to hide? Right? And here's my beef with the FBI and Congress: we need more funding to recruit and train additional Arabic-speaking undercover agents, so they'll be able to infiltrate U.S.-based terrorist cells and help provide convincing, and convicting testimony later. Posted by Matt Rosenberg at February 1, 2005 07:01 PM Trackback Pings TrackBack URL for this entry: Listed below are links to weblogs that reference The Fine Whine Of An Oregon Muslim:
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Here's my politically incorrect statement: If the scarves make your life more difficult, take them off. I mean, if that's the basis of his argument, it's not going to get far. He would do better to explain the things he is doing to improve the image of Muslims, which ought to include helping us to find and prosecute the Islamo-fascists. Posted by: DeadManVoting (aka Iguana) at February 2, 2005 08:46 AMI don't think the FBI's statements were outrageous and I'm glad they're keeping tabs on the bad guys. Go get 'em! That said, this screed in support of racial profiling is sickening. And the comment here that muslims should take off their headscarves is the worse sort of un-American bile (sadly consistent with the spirit of the original comment, it seems). I guess it's not surprising since 44 percent of the public now shares your support for curtailing muslim Americans civil rights. http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases/Dec04/Muslim.Poll.bpf.html We need to oppose this rising tide of bigotry, which goes against the Constitution and the values our soldiers are dying to defend. We don't need to excuse it, let alone feed it. We can support the war on terror and strongly defend the constitution and the bill of rights. It's possible to be self-critical, and to urge Arab-Americans and muslims to reject violent, evangelical Islamism. Get over this either/or simplistic thinking. Posted by: patriotic whiner at February 2, 2005 12:26 PMI do not see a "rising tide of bigotry," but I do see a rising tide of hysteria on both sides of this issue. There is no bright line defining the civil liberties of relgious minorities, and if we cannot learn to act with reasonable civility toward each other we will spend more time at each others throats than dealing with the enemy. A certain amount of suspicion of Muslims and Middle Easteners on the part of non-Muslims is an unavoidable consequence of 9/11. Matt is right about that, and Muslims are just going to have to develop a certain amount of patience with it. At the same time, non-Muslims who go out of their way to demean or antagonize Muslims are merely alienating fellow countrymen whose support we will dearly need in the fight against Islamist extremism. Posted by: Tom Rekdal at February 2, 2005 04:59 PMMr. Rekdal: You are entirely too reasonable. Don't you know it's the hysterics that sell? Let me guess. You ain't in the sellin' business, are you? James Posted by: James J. Na at February 2, 2005 05:39 PMWell, whiner, you certianly picked an appropriate name for yourself. I'm not quite sure where I said anything about throwing out the Bill or Rights, etc. I haven't suggested that anyone FORCE anybody to take off their scarves. I haven't advocated violence against people wearing scarves. I simply said that if you are uncomfortable wearing one in public, take it off. For example, I'm a lot more comfortable being naked, but I'd feel kind of strange walking around like that, so I wear pants and shirt even on hot days when I'd prefer to just be butt naked. The complaints of Muslims in the US are along the lines of, "It makes us feel uncomfortable that people don't trust us." I don't think it's fair that all Muslims are lumped into the Islamo-fascist category by some people, but it is natural to be cautious. If you have been bitten by a snake, you will be weary of all other snakes, even the snakes that aren't poisoness. It's just a natural reaction and the best way to solve it is to get all the poisoness islamo-fascists out of the picture. The rest will heal itself in due course. But, if the argument is: "Our feelings are being hurt so stop chasing after islamo-fascists," which often, between the lines, that's what some say ... screw it. Some feelings are going to get hurt, happens all the time. In fact, our government does that sort of thing all the time to might some "higher goal." Take the kids getting bused around town. I don't hear anyone on the School Board talking about how crappy that is for the kids getting bused. When you are ready to apply your concern for people's feeling evenly, I'll be there to back you up. Until then, the islamo-fascists are never safe. Posted by: DeadManVoting (aka Iguana) at February 2, 2005 06:56 PMTom, I agree with most of that, but the poll results speak for themselves. 44 percent think basic American freedoms like due process and the freedom of religion apply only to themselves, not to Arabs or Muslims-Americans. In a democracy, that's a dangerous trend. Deadman doesn't seem to get that his original comment about headscarves falls into the same category. Telling American muslims to quit wearing symbols of their religion if it gets them in trouble is like telling Martin Luther King to stop praying because it's getting him into trouble. It's not that it's politically incorrect —that might be funny. It's that the comment goes against the core value this country was founded on: freedom, including religious freedom. Too many people seem to think the US is at war with all arabs and muslims, not just the bad guys. And like you say, that's not helping the war effort. For example, did you read about the James Yee investigation, which was just covered in the Seattle times: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/news/nation-world/jamesyee/ Or check out the latest snafu here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6897129 This goes beyond the war effort though, to our core values as Americans. I'm not an arab or a muslim (and I assume you're not), but if I were, these trends would worry me. 44 percent. That's a big number. What if it goes over 50 percent? Sure, constitutional rights protect the minority againt the majority, but you never know where things are headed... Posted by: patriotic whiner at February 3, 2005 12:36 AMLike I said, you choose a good handle. Posted by: DeadManVoting (aka Iguana) at February 3, 2005 08:01 PMPost a comment
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