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Evil and What To Do About It

May 05, 2004

All's not fair in love and war, even when trying to "break" detainees. Ruben Navarrette offers a good baseline for what must be done about the torture and humiliation of Iraqi war prisoners by U.S. military and security contractors: don't scapegoat underlings in the reserves because high-ranking military intelligence officers may well bear ultimate responsibility.

Some sick sh** went down.

Sgt. Stryker has more . Disbanding the 372d Military Police Company is worth discussing, but destroying the Abu Ghraib facility would send an even stronger message to the Arab world.

That said, it's an infintesimal percentage of U.S. miltary and contractor personnel who've been fingered for the disgusting abuses of Iraqi prisoners that've been reported.

I say - and this is hardly original, but it is heartfelt - Bush's people must not only investigate, and dispense harsh and deserved consequences. They must take steps to ensure this kind of stuff never happens again. And take pains that no other recent or future reports of any remotely similar abuses are surpressed from public purview, even for a few hours.

At the same time, a splash of cold water is necessary for the media and Big "D" Democrats, foaming over Abu Ghraib.

Let's do ALL the math.

How many prisoners have been taken into custody overall in Iraq? And then, how many reportedly abused?

How many U.S. soldiers and contractor personnel have handled prisoners; versus how many have been fingered for even suspected abuse?

Same questions at Gitmo.

Now: how many were tortured and killed by Saddam? By Mao; Stalin; Pol Pot; Idi Amin and Robert Mugabe? Just for starters, that is.

And does anyone want to talk about Sudan?

By all means, let's give all the Abu Ghraib hoodlums their due. But let's look at the big picture while we're at it. Or is this most of all an exercise in vilifying the Bush administration?

Posted by Matt Rosenberg at May 5, 2004 05:03 PM


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Comments:

Matt, I agree. The numbers are tiny in comparison. And we are doing something about it - indeed, we already did. There was no such outrage over the mutilation of 4 US contractors killed a month or so ago in Iraq.

And, yes, any excuse or no excuse to vilify Bush. Any reason to say "what did he know and when did he know it?"

Posted by: Ron at May 5, 2004 08:49 PM

I think Bush's biggest problem, highlighted here and many other places, is he's too damn loyal. He won't fire Tenet; will he demand that people in charge here must go, not just reassigned or some other slap on the wrist?

Posted by: Greg at May 5, 2004 09:24 PM

At the risk of locating myself in the moral netherlands, I would make three observations about our abuse of prisoners at the Abu Ghraib prison.

First, the somewhat hysterical reaction to these revelations in the West can only be understood in the light of the prevailing climate of political correctness. All of the injuries so far depicted are of a cultural and psychological nature: Arab males stripped naked and forced into humiliating sexual poses; Arab males stripped naked and exposed to the mocking gaze of female guards; Arab males bedecked with female underwear; and, worst of all, Arab males attached to wires and made to believe that they may be electrocuted or put to death if they fall off their perch.

All of these are forms of torture, without a doubt; even "atrocities," if you wish. But the "feelings" of the victims are not the sole determinants of the gravity of the crimes. American males who were thrown into prison and stripped naked by female guards who then proceeded to ridicule the size of their penises would certainly feel humiliated; some might even suffer permanent psychological damage. But few would prefer to have their eyes gouged out or their hands chopped off rather than suffer this indignity. Arab males profess to prefer a different choice, if you believe them. But is that all there is to be said about this matter? We do not allow the victim's feelings to determine the scope of punishment in any other context, so why should we do so here?

Second, from my perspective, the most appalling aspect of these revelations is the suggestion that either no one is in charge, or that the one in charge is making utterly whimsical tradeoffs.

How can a handful of enlisted personnel be engaged in a frolic of their own in an enterprise as serious the Iraq war? On the other hand, if military intelligence is making a deliberate calculation--"let's humiliate the hell out of 400 Arabs and if a single piece of useful information turns up it will all have been worth while"--what are they thinking? Devaluing Arab cultural sensitivities is one thing; treating them as moral ciphers not worth any consideration at all is an entirely different matter.

Finally, I now understand what Talleyrand meant when he said to Napoleon, "It was worse than a crime, sire; it was a blunder."

Posted by: Tom Rekdal at May 6, 2004 04:13 PM

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